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  mhall We are going regional....would like some input things to watch out for good and bad please.

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  • Fri at 12:24 PM
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  estropk1 replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Thank you very much for all the good advice and info!

  • Tue at 10:37 AM
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  Nelson replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Hello to all; I need help developing SOP's For the Crisis Negotiation Team; right about now i will take anything you have to offer new or old... just need a starting point. Cpl. Nelson Morales Passaic County Sheriff's Department New Jersey nmorales@...  moreHello to all; I need help developing SOP's For the Crisis Negotiation Team; right about now i will take anything you have to offer new or old... just need a starting point. Cpl. Nelson Morales Passaic County Sheriff's Department New Jersey nmorales@pcsheriff.org  

  • Mon at 7:36 PM
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  ddonlon replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  If you are interested I can send you a list of basic questions and reference material for 911 operators just email me at ddonlon1@leo.gov

  • May 11
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  CDub702 replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Whatever you do with the communications folks, it's important to point out that they are often the very first person that comes into contact with our person in crisis. Just with patrol officers, the "just the facts" approach won't work. Also, it is impo...  moreWhatever you do with the communications folks, it's important to point out that they are often the very first person that comes into contact with our person in crisis. Just with patrol officers, the "just the facts" approach won't work. Also, it is important to remember that communications folks rarely get any closure with their interactions with "clients" (any of them), which is hard enough. Now add the active listening, rapport building and empathy, AND the fact that they have no idea what happens after the caller disconnects...possibly problematic. Food for thought, Chris  less

  • May 10
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  CDub702 replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Mike, I am in total agreement with you and the only thing I can offer is the following: Although the state certifies me as a P.O., my department assumes responsibility of me and my actions while employed. I (knock on wood) have yet to be sued but I...  moreMike, I am in total agreement with you and the only thing I can offer is the following: Although the state certifies me as a P.O., my department assumes responsibility of me and my actions while employed. I (knock on wood) have yet to be sued but I imagine the deep pockets end with my department and my city. Another thought is the possibility that some states don't have a clue what criteria are necessary. I know from personal experience that knowledge of NCNA guidlines was an anomoly in many circles. Many agencies have a tendency to go with the "if its not broke, don't fix it" mentality and therefor things remain status quo for quite some time. I imagine that as more agencies get on the same page (not that the CNT/HNT playbook is very big, or diverse), we may see a change in philosophy and actually see some consistency across the board. Just my two cents and I won't ask for change, Chris  less

  • May 10
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  mjmcmains replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Thanks, Chris. I am thinking that the value/purpose of licensing/certification is to guarantee a minimal level of competence in a certain skill/knowledge/ability set. States will license and certify people to be peace officers, a job that includes the r...  moreThanks, Chris. I am thinking that the value/purpose of licensing/certification is to guarantee a minimal level of competence in a certain skill/knowledge/ability set. States will license and certify people to be peace officers, a job that includes the right to to carry guns, drive two ton vehicles at high speed and use deadly force but not in the use of non-deadly force options, like Active Listening. The logic escapes me. I think there is a skill set that if learned and used reduces the need for deadly force in high conflict situations. The courts have even recognized the need for the use of these skills as necessary before the use of deadly force. So, where is the liability? I know I grew up in Oklahoma and Tennessee, so I may be slow, but I don't get it. Can somebody explain it to me? michael  less

  • May 10
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  CDub702 replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Hey Mike, I know that in the State of Nevada, P.O.S.T. is on the pendulum swing of taking a "hands-off" approach when it comes to certifications. Last I heard, our state was leaving it up to the individual agencies to "Certify" their members in various ...  moreHey Mike, I know that in the State of Nevada, P.O.S.T. is on the pendulum swing of taking a "hands-off" approach when it comes to certifications. Last I heard, our state was leaving it up to the individual agencies to "Certify" their members in various specialties. I understand the reason for this is the "L" word...Liability. Having a Negotiator as we as an instructor in the field for the better part of 13 years, I am unaware of anyone that certifies students at the completion of a class. I know from an instructor's viewpoint, the liability would be great! Hope this helps, Chris  less

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  • May 10
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  mjmcmains replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Thanks, Dennis. I am a little taken back by folks who hold out certification course when there are no certifications- a bit like snake oil. I worked with some FBI negotiators recently. They do not even test their students, never mind certify them. They ...  moreThanks, Dennis. I am a little taken back by folks who hold out certification course when there are no certifications- a bit like snake oil. I worked with some FBI negotiators recently. They do not even test their students, never mind certify them. They leave it up to the local jurisdiction to vouch for the the competence of the negotiator. I think there are some commonalities that are and should be taught but I do not think trainers who are marketing a product are in any position to decide for the field, what constitutes certification. It needs to be the practitioners in the field- NCNA, State Associations, people with experience and expertise. Also, I have found when you start certifying, licensing, etc. it tends to freeze a field at the point in time when the certification or licensing standards are established. Any certification process has to include a way of updating the standards on a regular basis. Maybe NCNA can review what is being done, suggest some standards and review them every other year or so to...    less

  • May 9
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  ddonlon replied to a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Hello Mike I am from the Philadelphia Police Department in Pennsylvania. The only state that I THINK might have some requirements is Florida but again I am not sure. I believe they use the NLP system of negotiations there. I have found that there are m...  moreHello Mike I am from the Philadelphia Police Department in Pennsylvania. The only state that I THINK might have some requirements is Florida but again I am not sure. I believe they use the NLP system of negotiations there. I have found that there are many companies, organization and persons who state that give certifications, make up their own list or requirements. Not even the FBI training that I received was a certified course. With my 14 years of experience in negotiations and the many training courses and seminars that I have attended on the east coast, I can tell you one thing no two courses are alike. All training comes down to one thing Active Listening skills and your ability to apply it. You are correct in stating that it would be helpful if they were created and reviewed by the NCNA Dennis  less

  • May 9
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  mjmcmains posted a topic in the forum General Discussion:

  Certification

  I saw a recent announcement for a training course that stated: "This basic course meets most state and federal training requirements for crisis-hostage negotiator certification."I generally think of us in Texas as being up on negotiations, but we have no ...  moreI saw a recent announcement for a training course that stated: "This basic course meets most state and federal training requirements for crisis-hostage negotiator certification."I generally think of us in Texas as being up on negotiations, but we have no certification requirements. NCNA posts some guidelines and is exploring some standards as do state associations, but as far as I know there are no certification requirements that have emerged. Are there state or federal agencies out there with certification requirements? Texas has training curriculum but no certification. If there are, how were they arrived at and put in place? What do they entail? They might be helpful if they were compiled and reviewed by an organization like NCNA that represents a wide, cross-section of practicioners.   Comments, michael  less

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