I saw a recent announcement for a training course that stated: "... moreI saw a recent announcement for a training course that stated: "This basic course meets most state and federal training requirements for crisis-hostage negotiator certification."I generally think of us in Texas as being up on negotiations, but we have no certification requirements. NCNA posts some guidelines and is exploring some standards as do state associations, but as far as I know there are no certification requirements that have emerged. Are there state or federal agencies out there with certification requirements? Texas has training curriculum but no certification.
If there are, how were they arrived at and put in place? What do they entail? They might be helpful if they were compiled and reviewed by an organization like NCNA that represents a wide, cross-section of practicioners.
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DVNA TRAINING ANNOUNCEMENT
ON June 22, 2012
8:00am to 4:00pm
... moreDVNA TRAINING ANNOUNCEMENT
ON June 22, 2012
8:00am to 4:00pm
Location of training: Guest of the Philadelphia Eagles @
Lincoln Financial Field
1 Lincoln Financial Way, Philadelphia, PA 19148
Scenarios Day
The FBI, Philadelphia Division, Crisis Negotiation Team, in conjunction with the Delaware Valley Negotiators Association (DVNA) will host a Crisis Negotiation Team "SCENARIOS DAY" June 22, 2012, from 8:00am until 4:00pm, as guest of the Philadelphia Eagles, at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia.
Scenarios Day will incolve Crisis Negotiation Teams from thoughout Pennsylvania, New Jersy, New York, Delaware, coming together for a day of scenarios training. Each participating Department will be teamed up with other Departments to run role plays and scenarios with each Department getting a chane at a scenario.
All scenarios will be run inside the Lincoln Financial Field Facility. There will be no room for moble command Vehicles or NOC's. Prior to the event, each t... less
Hello All,
Was wondering if anyone would be willing to ... moreHello All,
Was wondering if anyone would be willing to provide me with what their department uses at a) minimum qualifications to be a negotiator, b) minimum training requirements for negotiators, c) a training matrix or schedule (if you use one), d) does your agency require additional training (yearly, monthly, quarterly) above and beyond the "minimums" that are perhaps outside of the usual realm of hostage negotiations related training (IE, tactical rifle, terrorism courses, etc). I am trying to get perspective on best practices regionally not just what has been the common practice for my agency. Essentially a more global perspective for training...
Thanks In Advance -
Sgt. Jamin Martinez
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Hello,
836 Technologies is hosting an equipment update ... moreHello,
836 Technologies is hosting an equipment update and scenario training on July 9th and 10th, 2012. This two day free training event is open to all US and Canadian agencies who currently have either the CINT Commander System or an 836 Tactical Phone. We will also extend the invitation to those agencies who are currently in the purchasing process for 836 Equipment.The training will take place in Lodi, CA which is located in the heart of the Central Valley's Wine Country. We have already received several reservations and seating is limited. If you would like additional information regarding the event and lodging please send me an email to bfreeman@836technologies.com.
If your agency does not currently have our equipment, but you are in the process of looking for new equipment, please contact me as we may be able to make arrangments for your team as well. less
Our team has recently received a donation of a type 3 ambulance ... moreOur team has recently received a donation of a type 3 ambulance to use for crisis negotiations. Our city has a mobile command post, but with the command element working out of the MCP it's to noisey and busy for our team to function effeciently.
I'm looking for suggestions from other teams that use ambulance style vehicles as their mobile NOC as to how they set up the truck to work the most effeciently.
Any suggestions (and pictures) welcome!
Hello to all; I need help developing SOP's For the Crisis Negotiation Team; right about now i will take anything you have to offer new or old... just need a starting point.
Cpl. Nelson Morales
Passaic County Sheriff's Department
New Jersey
nmorales@... moreHello to all; I need help developing SOP's For the Crisis Negotiation Team; right about now i will take anything you have to offer new or old... just need a starting point.
Cpl. Nelson Morales
Passaic County Sheriff's Department
New Jersey
nmorales@pcsheriff.org
Whatever you do with the communications folks, it's important to point out that they are often the very first person that comes into contact with our person in crisis. Just with patrol officers, the "just the facts" approach won't work. Also, it is impo... moreWhatever you do with the communications folks, it's important to point out that they are often the very first person that comes into contact with our person in crisis. Just with patrol officers, the "just the facts" approach won't work. Also, it is important to remember that communications folks rarely get any closure with their interactions with "clients" (any of them), which is hard enough. Now add the active listening, rapport building and empathy, AND the fact that they have no idea what happens after the caller disconnects...possibly problematic.
Food for thought,
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Mike,
I am in total agreement with you and the only thing I can offer is the following:
Although the state certifies me as a P.O., my department assumes responsibility of me and my actions while employed. I (knock on wood) have yet to be sued but I... moreMike,
I am in total agreement with you and the only thing I can offer is the following:
Although the state certifies me as a P.O., my department assumes responsibility of me and my actions while employed. I (knock on wood) have yet to be sued but I imagine the deep pockets end with my department and my city.
Another thought is the possibility that some states don't have a clue what criteria are necessary. I know from personal experience that knowledge of NCNA guidlines was an anomoly in many circles. Many agencies have a tendency to go with the "if its not broke, don't fix it" mentality and therefor things remain status quo for quite some time.
I imagine that as more agencies get on the same page (not that the CNT/HNT playbook is very big, or diverse), we may see a change in philosophy and actually see some consistency across the board.
Just my two cents and I won't ask for change,
Chris
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Thanks, Chris.
I am thinking that the value/purpose of licensing/certification is to guarantee a minimal level of competence in a certain skill/knowledge/ability set. States will license and certify people to be peace officers, a job that includes the r... moreThanks, Chris.
I am thinking that the value/purpose of licensing/certification is to guarantee a minimal level of competence in a certain skill/knowledge/ability set. States will license and certify people to be peace officers, a job that includes the right to to carry guns, drive two ton vehicles at high speed and use deadly force but not in the use of non-deadly force options, like Active Listening. The logic escapes me. I think there is a skill set that if learned and used reduces the need for deadly force in high conflict situations. The courts have even recognized the need for the use of these skills as necessary before the use of deadly force. So, where is the liability? I know I grew up in Oklahoma and Tennessee, so I may be slow, but I don't get it. Can somebody explain it to me?
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Hey Mike,
I know that in the State of Nevada, P.O.S.T. is on the pendulum swing of taking a "hands-off" approach when it comes to certifications. Last I heard, our state was leaving it up to the individual agencies to "Certify" their members in various ... moreHey Mike,
I know that in the State of Nevada, P.O.S.T. is on the pendulum swing of taking a "hands-off" approach when it comes to certifications. Last I heard, our state was leaving it up to the individual agencies to "Certify" their members in various specialties. I understand the reason for this is the "L" word...Liability.
Having a Negotiator as we as an instructor in the field for the better part of 13 years, I am unaware of anyone that certifies students at the completion of a class. I know from an instructor's viewpoint, the liability would be great!
Hope this helps,
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Thanks, Dennis.
I am a little taken back by folks who hold out certification course when there are no certifications- a bit like snake oil. I worked with some FBI negotiators recently. They do not even test their students, never mind certify them. They ... moreThanks, Dennis.
I am a little taken back by folks who hold out certification course when there are no certifications- a bit like snake oil. I worked with some FBI negotiators recently. They do not even test their students, never mind certify them. They leave it up to the local jurisdiction to vouch for the the competence of the negotiator. I think there are some commonalities that are and should be taught but I do not think trainers who are marketing a product are in any position to decide for the field, what constitutes certification. It needs to be the practitioners in the field- NCNA, State Associations, people with experience and expertise. Also, I have found when you start certifying, licensing, etc. it tends to freeze a field at the point in time when the certification or licensing standards are established. Any certification process has to include a way of updating the standards on a regular basis. Maybe NCNA can review what is being done, suggest some standards and review them every other year or so to... less
Hello Mike
I am from the Philadelphia Police Department in Pennsylvania. The only state that I THINK might have some requirements is Florida but again I am not sure. I believe they use the NLP system of negotiations there.
I have found that there are m... moreHello Mike
I am from the Philadelphia Police Department in Pennsylvania. The only state that I THINK might have some requirements is Florida but again I am not sure. I believe they use the NLP system of negotiations there.
I have found that there are many companies, organization and persons who state that give certifications, make up their own list or requirements. Not even the FBI training that I received was a certified course.
With my 14 years of experience in negotiations and the many training courses and seminars that I have attended on the east coast, I can tell you one thing no two courses are alike. All training comes down to one thing Active Listening skills and your ability to apply it.
You are correct in stating that it would be helpful if they were created and reviewed by the NCNA
Dennis
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I saw a recent announcement for a training course that stated: "This basic course meets most state and federal training requirements for crisis-hostage negotiator certification."I generally think of us in Texas as being up on negotiations, but we have no ... moreI saw a recent announcement for a training course that stated: "This basic course meets most state and federal training requirements for crisis-hostage negotiator certification."I generally think of us in Texas as being up on negotiations, but we have no certification requirements. NCNA posts some guidelines and is exploring some standards as do state associations, but as far as I know there are no certification requirements that have emerged. Are there state or federal agencies out there with certification requirements? Texas has training curriculum but no certification.
If there are, how were they arrived at and put in place? What do they entail? They might be helpful if they were compiled and reviewed by an organization like NCNA that represents a wide, cross-section of practicioners.
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